Podcast Episode 39 – Roger escaped the Bucket!

Welcome to episode 39 of The Circle of Confusion, the professional photography podcast.

This episode is just Roger and Neil again. We talk about a document from Alpa that explains the use of lens shift and tilt for all you technical-minded photographers.

We also talk about the portraits of the US Olympic Team that are what you might say  are “sub-standard.” A bride tells her guests to put away their cameras during the wedding, which has both good and bad points.

Roger was asked to photograph Peter’s son’s christening and there is a story behind this. Also we hear about Rogers filming on a boat… or not.

We respond to a question from a listener, Timothy Reaves, on the subject of HDR and then wrap up with some chat about Roger’s food blog and the switch to documentary photography.

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It’s not an animal this time, but the typical Irish summer weather from Peter’s workshop this week.

 

 

Alpa of Switzerland

Walter E. Schön, technical journalist and optics specialist, wrote a paper covering the aspects of parallel shift and Scheimpflug lens tilt for ALPA. The very informative and educational 6-page paper is available as PDF in English and Germand for download. For free, of course, here LINK 

 

Olympic Portraits

People are unhappy with a series of portraits of American Olympians shot at the US Olympic Committee’s Media Summit in Dallas. Words like “amateur” and “shoddy” come to mind.  We know what Roger & Neil think but what are your thoughts on the photographs? Are we over reacting or do you agree with the guys? LINK to the  Solstice website post.

 

 Offbeat Bride

“The unplugged wedding : couples tell guests to put down their devices”

The full post can be read from this LINK off  the Offbeat Bride website. The talk is about what do you do as a photographer at a wedding where everybody has either a camera or phone and is snapping away. You are hired by the bride & groom and you have to go with their wishes. It’s a fact of life now for professional wedding photographers. What do you think about these couples who want their guest to stop taking photos and enjoy the ceremony?

 

And just for Roger :

Seasickness explained and the remedy and 50 ways professional Mariners tackle it!

 

Full Timothy Reaves text :

I wanted to post this to your site for discussion, but, as it did not apply directly to a recent podcast, was not sure where to. If you’d prefer me not to e-mail you directly with ideas for discussion, please let me know, and I will not again.

This is not an argument for HDR; it’s an attempt to apply critical thinking and logic to the arguments that are used against HDR as a valid for ‘real’ uses.

I’ve heard on at least one podcast episode that you really do not care for HDR photographs, and unless I’m mistaken, it had at least something to do with ‘documentary photography’. I think this gets to the heart of ‘honest’ photographs and specifically photojournalism. I’m not sure either one of these two things was possible with film camera’s, but neither one is with a digital camera.
I’ve seen lots of posts related to this on various sites (especially PetaPixel), and the arguments seem to be along two lines:

  • the ‘moment’ was not captured faithfully
  • the post-processing that occurs

I find both of these disingenuous. I’d be very interested in hearing the three of you talk about this, if you find it worthy of further discussion.
Speaking about the last point first: the post-processing. I have seen some HDR photo’s that are clearly of images that no human would see. Wild colors, incredible contrast, etcetera. The issue I have with this is two-fold. First, I’ve seen single exposure images that are every bit as unrealistic in color, and unless a person is totally color blind, no person would ever see a a sight that was the same as a black and white image. So that an HDR image can be over the top, so what? Further, I’ve seen some HDR images where I would not have known they were HDR unless told.
So how can a photojournalist or documentary photographer be considered such if they shoot black and white? Or adjust exposure? Or color balance, or white balance, etcetera?
As for capturing the moment, I find this argument as flawed.
There was a photograph used in a US newspaper (the newspaper did point out it was HDR) of a plane in a Florida sky. One commentator criticized it harshly, as not capturing that moment, as the plane would have moved between the stacked exposures, and as a result of this, was a ‘false’ moment. Setting aside that HDR photo’s can be made with a single exposure, the plane moves even during a single exposure. No exposure, no mater how fast, can exist in which the plane does not move. It is in motion, so it always moves. In every time step someone would care to break it down in. So how can the planes movement across three exposures (or what ever number) be used as evidence of it being a ‘false moment’?
Perhaps it’s that the shutter opened and closed more than once? Well, what if a camera existed that did not have a shutter, but merely collected the photons for a specified period of time. Then you could have any number of exposures without a shutter opening & closing defining what a ‘moment’ is. Would this be any different?
Lastly, what about the Gigapixel camera (or a lot of cameras used in astronomy)? They have multiple sensors, and sometimes multiple lenses The data from the sensors must be combined into a single image; does this mean it could not be used in photojournalism or documentary photography? You are not stacking images, but you are combining them. If an HDR image were created by having a lens split the incoming light to three different sensors with different exposure settings, how would this be any different?
Obviously with photojournalism and documentary photography, ‘real’ is wanted. And the cases where the photographer ‘embellishes’ the flames if a fire scene, or the copy/pastes extra wildebeests into the shot prevent the image from being ‘real’. But I think some of these other forms of editing do not fall into this category. Otherwise, the only defensible position is that the only ‘real’ photograph is the one that is raw, from the sensor.

What do you think?

Leave a comment and let us know. 

 

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4 Responses to Podcast Episode 39 – Roger escaped the Bucket!

  1. MarkB

    Nice documentary landscape shot from Peter (or would that be landscape photo journalism)! Great podcast again chaps. With regards why we don’t have the same reaction to b&w as HDR, well I don’t know about everyone else, but I think we grow up with b&w, its as if it’s in our DNA (a bit like the Beatles). Kind regards, MarkB

  2. Thanks Mark. I think you are right about the B&W reaction compared to HDR.
    Regards Neil

  3. Andy

    Great podcast the other week where you talked about the state of the business in Ireland and selling landscape photographs. Worth the entrance fee alone, and really refreshing to hear guys like yourselves talk candidly about the business side of things. There was me thinking that landscape photography was all about jetting off to exotic locations, selling your prints for $50k each and getting invited to parties with supermodels. Sorry to hear that the state of the pro business in Ireland is worse than it was a couple of years back. If it’s any consolation, I hear things are worse in Greece. That said, does the devaluation of the euro mean you’re seeing more tourists in Ireland – i.e. more traffic through galleries and the like?

    You’ve mentioned the new MacBook Pro Retina (MBPR) a few times – it appears that it’s one of the most environmentally unfriendly laptops ever – so much so that Apple has had to remove themselves from the Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool (EPEAT), a green standard for consumer electronics in the US. Given the close relationship between landscape photography and environmental conciousness (e.g. Ansel Adams and Yosemite National Park, Peter Dombrovskis and the Franklin Dam etc.) – as a landscape photographer Peter and an early adopter of the MBPR, do you feel there’s a conflict, and if so, how do you reconcile it?

    Andy

  4. Thanks Andy for your comment and I will leave this one for Peter to answer once he gets back from another one of his 10 day workshops around Ireland.
    Regards Neil.